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Since I first threw this project up on the web, I've received a number of emails with comments, suggestions, and -yes- questions, and -yes-yes- compliments. Thank you one and all. It is nice to know that something I have done is found "interesting" by someone else.  HI!HI!

I had always planned to do this page -- when and/or if I had any response to the Home Brew, Mobile 6M Halo. It has come to pass that there are enough responses from the visitors to this web site to warrant cranking out this final page.

Not everyone wanted their emails quoted here.   From some of that material I may do 'third person' references.
E.g.: "Someone told me that painting the halo sky blue improves the gas mileage by 3 mpg."
Something like that....

The folks whose emails you'll find below have given their permission for such publication. One item, though: You'll not find their email addy's here -- they probably get enough spam. If you want to get in contact with them, you'll have to proceed in "the usual way(s)".

First we have an email from
Goody, KF6PBN out in CM95:
From: Goody <KF6PBN CM95>
To: Jonesy <W3DHJ DM68>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:09:33 -0700
Subject: Halo

Jonesy,

Hi, and thanks for the tips and the initial work.

I used your idea and built a 6M halo, I too used the serial capacitance, however I used 3/8 instead of 1/2 inch internal tubing. It required that the tube be 6 3/8" long and set off center 3/4" toward the shield side.

The insulator I used was a nylon core from a roll of adding machine paper and a few pieces of heat shrink. My other problem was the gamma match, mine ended up 15 inches long and wraps around the corner, works good at 49 ohms.

My antenna is centered at 50.8 with the 2.0 SWR points at 49.9 and 52.0 -- I wanted to make sure that I covered the Pacific DX window since I live on the ocean.

I have yet to make a contact as it is designed to be mounted on my travel trailer, right below the dual band J-pole mounted on the bumper. I made the mount so it will fold down when the mast is retracted and then open up when raised. I have an 18 foot mast on the back of the trailer. The J-pole is my design, made out of 3/8" aluminum rod, cost is around 20 bucks and needs no match.

pat goodyear (goody)
kf6pbn cm95oh

Next we have an email exchange I had with
Rick, KD5UVA down in EM22   - -   this was my in-context reply:
From: Jonesy <W3DHJ DM68>
To: Rick Davis <KD5UVA EM22>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004
Subject: Re: 6M Halo

On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Rick Davis wrote:
Hello from Texas!
I'm Rick Davis-KD5UVA, and my Friend Kurt-KD5UVB and I built a halo per your design. Wow! Now everyone wants one! I have some questions and some info on what we found.


"Hello!" from Gunnison! It's heartwarming to hear from folks that share the 'excitement' in some of the stuff that I do!

Question: The Gamma Match, about how long is the copper wire inside the tube? I know this is subject to tuning but we didn't know a starting point. You are great at explaining the operation in laymen's terms, so if you don't mind, I'd like to know how the match works, more specifically, what is the relationship of a longer/shorter copper wire? I know what the grounding strap does.

The copper wire -- really a "copper rod" -- together with the outer alum. tube, make up a capacitor. Building it this-a-way creates (when designed for "proper" proportions) a 'long capacitor' which then is able to 'reach out' to the proper tap point on the driven element. The matching of it all, then, involves adjusting the amount of rod inserted into the tube (capacitance) -- together with adjusting where the strap attaches to the driven element (feed-point impedance). IJFM. So, even if you use the identical same scrap as I did, it will probably be WAY different in adjustment for you than it was for me. Well, maybe not WAY, WAY different -- but, enough so that your tuning of your antenna will require as much futzing as I had with my antenna.

Originally, my copper rod -- when assembled somewhat 'close' to what the final assembly was -- extended nearly to the end of the tube. That's why I mentioned wrapping the rod with the teflon tape starting out at the end of the rod -- it makes for 'cleaner' snipping of the rod without the tape coming unraveled so easily (At least, that's the theory....) I was Very Fortunate, and only needed to whack about 1/2" off the rod before that and the adjustment of the strap gave me a match.

If you find the gamma match "needs more rod" - and you are using a full-length piece to start with -- you need to use:
* a larger diameter rod (e.g. 10 ga. Cu versus 12 ga. Cu) ,
* or a tube with a somewhat smaller i.d. ,
* or a longer tube together with a longer (same size) rod).

Moving to a longer gamma tube is not much of a concern -- since the shorting strap between it and the driven element is where the "magic" is. But, with a halo antenna, the tube eventually can be too long -- both mechanically and aesthetically.

We got our loop to reach 1.7 swr on the MFJ analyzer, but only by with a match long enough to nearly touch the Halo. That's not bad, but we'd like it to be lower of course to allow more bandwidth.

Maybe you're trying to tune it with the MFJ attached directly -- not a good way to do it. Use a short piece (5-6 feet) of coax to get yourself out of the "field of influence". I knelt down when fiddling with the MFJ -- trying to stay out of the horizontal plane of the antenna. Too, make sure the halo is clear of any nearby "objects" -- by 4-5 feet -- while trying to tune it.

Now, here is what we did to solve our internal tuning capacitor. We made the same plastic part as you did, but instead threaded a stainless all-thread 5/16" though it. This resulted in dropping from our original 63mc to 53, we then simply ran on two nuts, one on each end of the all-thread. Viola! The freq fell right into the SSB range. Perfect! A few drops of hot glue and all is wonderful. The all-thread makes tuning a breeze.

Kewl! Very neat trick!!
And, for the perfectionists out there, I believe I have seen brass all-thread -- which would yield a higher-Q capacitor. (But, then again, is high-Q necessarily what we want there? hmmmmm...)

My early brain-storming revolved around something similar. I had thought of attaching the internal tube to a piece of plastic all-thread that would come out at one of the nearby corners where I would have a nylon nut mounted. Then I could adjust the thing from outside -- at anytime I wanted.

But, as I prototyped the thing I found that the internal capacitor -- once set -- offered plenty of bandwidth and would require no further adjustment. KISS.

Here are some specs that you might want to include in your site: First run report: QRP rig running 9 watts, RG-8 mini coax (yuck) at 30' elevation above ground and ground is 460' above sea level. Conditions: zero enhancement (verified by two stations barely making contact locally despite running beams and 100 watts at 35 miles, typical for the area and terrain) Local Signal reports s7 signal at 12 mi (2 people), 5/9 at 15 mi., s3 with a bit of white noise at 12 mi by station running vertical only. And the best was a 5/9 report at 19 miles. All without a rotator, and with an unusually low noise floor compared to the vertical. Noise with vertical was s3 to s5, with this halo it was zero to s1.

You might see humor in this: When we saw your site, we immediately wanted to build one of these, so we left work at lunch, drove to the scrap yard, walked up to a pile of prospective goodies. Right there were three 21" lawn chairs. When we picked them up, immediately below them was a pair of aluminum crutches! $9 and ten minutes later we were just plain giddy and still had time for a burger, our wives laughed at us and thought we were nuts. The 59 signal reports spoke for themselves!

Great Story!!
Don't you love it when A Plan Comes Together? HI!HI!
My wife frequently wonders about me, too.
Again, Thank you!
es 73
Jonesy

Now for some email snippets:

From a VE3:
Great article on the 6m mobile-lawn-chair-halo!

From Mass.:
I loved your pages concerning the 6m halo setup. Very concise. The pictures are clear and very helpful. Thanks for taking the time.

From R.I.:
I just read your implementation of the six meter lawn chair antenna. That's a very nice piece of engineering and scrounging! And a very nice presentation, too! I've collected enough broken chairs with rounded leg corners to build two of those. I'm interested to see how a stacked pair would behave.

From Minn.:
Just wanted to drop you a note that I really enjoyed reading your 6m halo site. LOTS of good ideas. Thanks for taking time to put the site up. I know it's a lot of work.

From Germany:
I have seen the 6m HALO project on your homepage... really cool stuff. I will build a HALO, too! ;-)

Feedback is appreciated.

There are a few other web site operators that felt my project was unique enough to warrant adding a link to it from their web site(s).
Rod, AC6V (now a SK) linked to this project from his (still maintained) "antennas" page.
Then, there was a nice reference on JL1IRB's web site:
JL1IRB ref.     HI!HI!

Interestingly, I've gotten quite a few short comments on 6M QSL cards along the line of: "Great 6M Halo web page". Nice touch, that!

Feedback, "stories", suggestions welcomed.
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